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On 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 GMT, rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote:
>Hi all,
>May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
>once in a thread, preferable the first article?
>Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas.
>For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is
>Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture.
>I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other
>countries.
An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ?
Nigel
On Fri, 03 Oct 1997 17:42:55 GMT,
nigel_simm…@hinchpharm.prestel.co.uk (Nigel Simmons) wrote:
>On 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 GMT, rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
>>once in a thread, preferable the first article?
>>Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas.
>>For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is
>>Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture.
>>I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other
>>countries.
>An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ?
>Nigel
Why don’t you intelligent pharmasist-types get out your handy-dandy
drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems? We poor dumb
depressives don’t happen to know all the jerky names for them stupid
pills. You guys are in a much better position to tell US what the
generic names are, doncha think?
Simply Steve
nielsens(at)ccmail(dot)orst(dot)edu
In article <34352e62.516…@news.prestel.co.uk>,
nigel_simm…@hinchpharm.prestel.co.uk says…
>On 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 GMT, rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
>>once in a thread, preferable the first article?
>>Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas.
>>For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is
>>Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture.
>>I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other
>>countries.
>An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ?
>Nigel
Nigel, it would make life easier but I think the problem is that a lot of us
lay people don’t know the generic names of drugs and can only refer to the
brand name on the packet we buy. Also the spelling and length of generic
names is sometimes rather daunting. However being from N.Z. and in a
minority, I will try harder in future. Joan
In response to post in alt.support.headaches.migraines, regarding the
"Plea/Request" that we use generic names of medications in our
postings "at least once in the thread" cross posted to:
sci.med
sci.med.pharmacy
alt.support.depression
alt.support.headaches.migraine
misc.health.arthritis
sci.med.cardiology
rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) Original poster
nigel_simm…@hinchpharm.prestel.co.uk (Nigel Simmons) echoes the
sentiment
This question has been previously asked and answered recently in
alt.support.headaches.migraines.
Are either of you volunteering to provide us with a cross-reference
list of name brand and generic migraine medications to post in our NG?
I’m sure migraineurs in your countries would find that of interest.
As stated before, I don’t think anyone in our NG has the resources to
do that.
This(alt.support.headaches.migraines) is an unmoderated SUPPORT group
— posts are ususally by people suffering from migraines — not
usually by medical professionals. Although, I might add that there
are several people with medical backgrounds who are kind enough to
respond to posts with relevant information. Many of us do not have
any way of finding out the generic name of the medications we are on
without calling and bugging our own pharmacists/doctors. There were
many "newbies" who were quite upset by the last posting of this nature
in our NG. They thought that there was something that they were doing
wrong, and that they were being corrected by someone in charge. I
want to make sure that your comment does not cause any "newbies" to
our group to feel even more insecure about searching for support here.
Our NG’s "threads" often begin with a posting from a migraineur in
angst, with questions to the group in regards to any knowledge or
personal experience with the medication or symptoms in question. They
usually supply the newsgroup with all of the information about their
medication that is at their disposal. Let me ask you, when you fill a
name brand prescriptions in your pharmacy, do you also put the generic
name of the drug on the bottle? They don’t do that here. Also, most
of us don’t have a PDR to look medications up in — I don’t.
> — reply to ssch – at – ix – dot – netcom – dot – com —
Mary
Schneider wrote:
> … most of us don’t have a PDR to look medications up in…
Mary,
There are *lots* of places to find this out on the net. Try some of the
resources Karen has posted at
http://www.softcom.net/users/wavsrus/pharm.html
jane
Schneider wrote:
> Are either of you volunteering to provide us with a cross-reference
> list of name brand and generic migraine medications to post in our NG?
> As stated before, I don’t think anyone in our NG has the resources to
> do that.
> Also, most
> of us don’t have a PDR to look medications up in — I don’t.
Try http://pharminfo.com/drugdb/db_mnua.html
or
http://www.rxlist.com/
> Let me ask you, when you fill a
> name brand prescriptions in your pharmacy, do you also put the generic
> name of the drug on the bottle? They don’t do that here.
Where is here? In south Florida, USA both generic and brand name are on
the prescription!
The suggestion to use generic names was a very sensible, helpful,
reasonable
and intelligent one. That of course does cause some people headaches and
produces the side-effect of ignorant and/or uninformed reactions.
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Simply Steve wrote:
> Why don’t you intelligent pharmasist-types get out your handy-dandy
> drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems? We poor dumb
> depressives don’t happen to know all the jerky names for them stupid
> pills. You guys are in a much better position to tell US what the
> generic names are, doncha think?
> Simply Steve
> nielsens(at)ccmail(dot)orst(dot)edu
Why don’t you poor dumb depressives take a look at
http://pharminfo.com/drugdb/db_mnua.html
or
http://www.rxlist.com/ ?
And stop taking those "stupid pills" – they appear to be working.
George [ Je compute, donc je suis (at least I think so).]
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In article <3435D278….@worldnet.att.net>, GRC…@worldnet.att.net says…
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>Schneider wrote:
>> Are either of you volunteering to provide us with a cross-reference
>> list of name brand and generic migraine medications to post in our NG?
>> As stated before, I don’t think anyone in our NG has the resources to
>> do that.
>> Also, most
>> of us don’t have a PDR to look medications up in — I don’t.
>Try http://pharminfo.com/drugdb/db_mnua.html
> or
> http://www.rxlist.com/
>> Let me ask you, when you fill a
>> name brand prescriptions in your pharmacy, do you also put the generic
>> name of the drug on the bottle? They don’t do that here.
>Where is here? In south Florida, USA both generic and brand name are on
>the prescription!
>The suggestion to use generic names was a very sensible, helpful,
>reasonable
>and intelligent one. That of course does cause some people headaches and
>produces the side-effect of ignorant and/or uninformed reactions.
> _________________________________________________
>George
All OTC and prescribed medications are labelled with the
generic and trade names by law in Australia. I assumed
that it would be same in the US. I see now that my
request would be beyond the abilites of many, if indeed
Americans do not get told what generic drug they are
taking.
Raymot
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In article <612mau$1k…@grissom.powerup.com.au>, rmott…@powerup.com.au says…
I wrote:
>This is not just for my benefit.
>By using generic names, you reach a wider audience for
>responses to your requests. There is also the possibility
>that you will receive a reply from someone who does not
>work and suffer under the American health system, and so
>perhaps receive a novel approach to the use of a drug, or
>an opinion from a different cultural perspective — which
>is never a bad idea!
I’ve received a few negative reactions to this post.
I’m sorry if some people have intepreted this as being
a selfish request. I had intended to use the information
for the benefit of other posters on these groups.
Many posts in these groups are from people requesting
authoritative information about drugs and side-effects
etc. I have helped in this way in the past, and was
simply wishing to increase my ability to participate
in the groups. Some of you might be able to relate to
the feeling of being left out and marginalised when
you’re in a minority (as non-US people are on the net).
Those who considered this request an insurmountable
burden upon themselves may simply ignore it.
Please send any further abuse to my e-mail, rather
than to the newsgroups.
Thanks.
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>Raymot, MBBS (general practitioner)
>==========================
>Brisbane, Australia
>http://www.powerup.com.au/~rmottare/index.htm
>[Disclaimer: This post is *not* intended to be personal
>medical advice. The opinions are offered in the interests
>of discussion only.]
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Raymot wrote:
> All OTC and prescribed medications are labelled with the
> generic and trade names by law in Australia. I assumed
> that it would be same in the US. I see now that my
> request would be beyond the abilites of many, if indeed
> Americans do not get told what generic drug they are
> taking.
IMHO, part of being a patient for a chronic illness is being informed.
This helps both you and you doctor in devising a treatment plan that
works. I find it hard to believe that there are folks out there who
don’t look up their prescibed drugs.
I think this is both irresponsible and dangerous. A neurologist recently
prescribed Depakote (an anticonvulsant) as a migraine preventative.
Before having the rx filled, I looked it up on the web. That’s when I
found out that he was endangering my life by not asking for a baseline
liver function test *before* I started taking it, but only a test 2
months after. This could have caused irreversible liver damage and even
death. Needless to say, he is no longer my doctor!
Raymot, I’m sorry you’ve been getting hostility from some. Isn’t
technology wonderful? People all over the world can now be angry with
us!
jane
riverrun <river…@sirius.com> wrote:
> Schneider wrote:
> > … most of us don’t have a PDR to look medications up in…
> Mary,
> There are *lots* of places to find this out on the net. Try some of the
> resources Karen has posted at
> http://www.softcom.net/users/wavsrus/pharm.html
> jane
Hi,
The medication packet lists the ingredients. Looking at the packet is
maybe the easiest way to find out for many. That is what I do most of
the time (I do have a PDR too though)…
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nigel_simm…@hinchpharm.prestel.co.uk (Nigel Simmons) wrote:
>On 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 GMT, rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
>>once in a thread, preferable the first article?
>>Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas.
>>For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is
>>Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture.
>>I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other
>>countries.
>An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ?
>Nigel
Right on the mark.
Let us UK pharmacists promise not to use our ridiculous Co-Names.
They cause enough co-nfusion as it is.
Toni
This is an excellent, sensible post and should be read and
practiced by all.
Raymot <rmott…@powerup.com.au> wrote in article
<612mau$1k…@grissom.powerup.com.au>…
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> Hi all,
> May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
> once in a thread, preferable the first article?
> By using generic names, you reach a wider audience for
> responses to your requests. There is also the possibility
> that you will receive a reply from someone who does not
> work and suffer under the American health system, and so
> perhaps receive a novel approach to the use of a drug, or
> an opinion from a different cultural perspective — which
> is never a bad idea!
to…@vip.solis.co.uk (Toni) wrote:
>nigel_simm…@hinchpharm.prestel.co.uk (Nigel Simmons) wrote:
>>On 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 GMT, rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
>>>once in a thread, preferable the first article?
>Right on the mark.
>Let us UK pharmacists promise not to use our ridiculous Co-Names.
>They cause enough co-nfusion as it is.
Excellent idea.
There are a few drugs whose GENERIC names vary internationally, but
the variation is much, much, less than that of trade names. Some of
the international variation is trivial (amoxicillin/amoxycillin,
furosemide/frusemide), but some of it is reasonably opaque
(epinephrine/adrenaline, acetaminophen/paracetamol).
Robert R. Fenichel, M.D.
(true email address is as above, but without initial NOTQUITE)
For some reason, On Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:07:47 GMT, Simply Steve
wrote:
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>On Fri, 03 Oct 1997 17:42:55 GMT,
>nigel_simm…@hinchpharm.prestel.co.uk (Nigel Simmons) wrote:
>>On 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 GMT, rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
>>>once in a thread, preferable the first article?
>>>Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas.
>>>For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is
>>>Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture.
>>>I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other
>>>countries.
>>An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ?
>Why don’t you intelligent pharmasist-types get out your handy-dandy
>drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems?
Those "handy-dandy drug
dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems" are reliable only
in the country they are published for. The original author of this
thread made it quite clear that generic names are necessary for
professionals in other counties to have input (i.e., help with a
question about drug therapy); he was correct.
>We poor dumb depressives don’t happen to know all the jerky names
>for them stupid pills.
I’m sure people with depressive disorders would prefer you to speak
for yourself.
>You guys are in a much better position to tell US what the generic
>names are, doncha think?
>Simply Steve
>nielsens(at)ccmail(dot)orst(dot)edu
No… not if they don’t have a reference containing *both* names of
the "stupid pill." That was the *point* of the original article!
<walks away shaking his head>
–
E Grayson
egray…@ix.netcom.com
Most pharmacies I know of hand out little info sheets with their
prescriptions that list their generic names. Hell, I even got myself a
copy of the Physicians Drug Reference (PDR) to keep up with my meds. A
good pharmacist usually knows more about the drugs than the doctors do.
This is especially important if you are on several meds.
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David Law wrote:
> On 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 GMT, rmott…@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least
> >once in a thread, preferable the first article?
> I couldn’t agree more, however as an alternative what about someone
> producing a medications FAQ which could be regularly posted to
> appropriate groups or maintained on a web site and the URL posted
> regularly.
> No I’m not volunteering
> David Law
This sounds like a great idea. (I’m not volunteering, either, sorry).
Most of the medicines I see mentioned in the migraine support group are
the same ones over and over. A list showing the generic name, along
with some of its brand names would be a useful cross-reference.
Melinda
.
In article <61f4gt$n1…@news2.digex.net>,
duf…@acy1.digex.net (Diane Hamilton) wrote:
> Oh, I know, (she said TIC) let’s let one of the people who get paid to do
I’m not volunteering but
> this ng stuff do it!
> Sorry, I’m not one of the paid workers here.
> I’m not suggesting someone else do it becuase I think it’s a good idea.
> —
> PS I’m also not cross-posting this to 6 other newsgroups. I edited the To
> line.
people get paid to do this?
Karen
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I don’t know too many, but here are some that I do know:
paroxetine U.S.: Paxil
Brit.: Seroxat
Aus.: Aropax
sertraline U.S.: Zoloft
Brit.: Lustral
moclobemide Canada: Manerix
Europe: Aurorix
On Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:07:47 GMT, SeeThe…@For.Email.Address (Simply Steve)
wrote:
: Why don’t you intelligent pharmasist-types get out your handy-dandy
: drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems? We poor dumb
: depressives don’t happen to know all the jerky names for them stupid
: pills. You guys are in a much better position to tell US what the
: generic names are, doncha think?
Any decent pharmacy in the U.S. has access to an on-line data base of
prescription drugs, and they can print out for you a very detailed description
of any drug, its generic name, its usefulness, its contraindications,
warnings, interactions with other drugs, etc., etc. If you’re taking a
prescription drug and haven’t obtained and read that description, all I can
say is that it was not I (a recovered heart patient) who referred to
depressives as "dumb", but if the shoe fits … ;^)
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